Black Sea 1915

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Joe R
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Black Sea 1915

Post by Joe R » Fri Jun 19, 2020 4:27 pm

From a Turkish language site on the internet (yes,I know), two ships were sunk by
Russian surface vessels on 7 March 1915. The 2 ships were the AZIMET #23 and the
SELAMET #25 ferry boats owned by Sirket-i Hariye but requisitioned by the Turkish
Navy. Which Russian craft destroyed them, where sunk and any other ships in this
convoy? I'm assuming they were together when sunk.

Also, Gazze, a Turkish ship was sunk on 5 May 1915. I can not find any thing on this ship.
Could some esteemed member(s) of this forum help me, please.

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Urs Heßling
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Urs Heßling » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:39 pm

hi,

From 5th to 9th March. the Russian Black Sea Fleet conducted a full scale raid with all available ships (battleships, cruisers, destroyers) against the Ottoman Black sea coast, especially Zonguldak.

greetings, Urs
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Joe R » Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:45 pm

Moin Urs, DANKE for taking the time to answer my query. I was tickled that a noted scholar on
WWII German S Boats from THE German forum would answer me. Unfortunately, it didn't help.
I'll rephrase my question. Which one or two Russian ships were responsible for sinking the two
Turkish ferry boats?
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Istanbul » Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:24 pm

Your question is very simply to answer, because neither of the two mentioned ferries were sank by the Russians.

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Istanbul
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Joe R » Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:18 pm

Istanbul, copied verbatim from Turkish site,
25 SELAMET: In 1870, England, Maudslay 50ns & paddle steamer as was done in the Fields passenger bench.
Was 109 gross tons, the boat was wooden. Length of 31.7 meters, width of 5.4 meters,the water sector was
the 2.3metr. Maudslay made were compound 90 horsepower two-cylinder steam engine.It entered service in 1870.
If in 1002, decommissioned in 1915, it was included in the squad again. Black Sea by a Russian destroyer of emrindeyk 7 March1915, the Navy Eregli have sunk in front of them. It was 45 years technique.

Thanks to google translate. Again Verbatim with translation errors.

Would you conclude that this is a reliable Site? Or have I misinterpreted the English translation?

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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Istanbul » Sun Jul 05, 2020 5:53 am

I can`t conclude if this site is reliable, but in the mentioned case it isn`t by far. The vessel which sank was a small sailing vessel of abt. 50 tons with the same name. I have the full report of the German Korvettenkapitän Freese of the bombardement in my archive.

Again a fine example for those who are compiling web sites without studying original documents, copying only what they possibly find in other "second hand" sources and very often having no knowledge at all.

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Istanbul
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Joe R » Sun Jul 05, 2020 2:23 pm

Thanks for that data. Now, how did those two ferries meet their end? Let me take a guess.
Both sunk in a collision. Both sunk in a storm. Scuttled at the appearance of German destroyer,
Both mined. Sunk because of internal explosions. I'm delighted to see that you're very amenable to
sharing the extensive knowledge you have acquired. Looking forward to your reply.

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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Istanbul » Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:57 pm

Thank you very much for your answer and the "kind" words. Please be assured that I can read between the lines and have already understood your comments. To conclude, here are my informations about the two vessels:

AZİMET:
14.07.1870: arrived at İstanbul from London 24.07.1870: No. 23 – AZİMET Şirket-i Hayriye, İstanbul 1911: out of service .02.1915: No. 23 – AZİMET Şirket-i Hayriye, İstanbul © Osmanlı Bahriye –transport- .11.1918: returned to Şirket-i Hayriye, İstanbul and out of service 1919: sold for demolition at İstanbul

SELAMET:
delivered as No. 25 – SELAMET Şirket-i Hayriye, İstanbul pre-04.08.1870: arrived at İstanbul from London 1870: renumbered as No. 24 – SELAMET because of sale of No. 24 - İHSAN 1911: out of service, not commissioned in 1914-1918 and not mentioned as broken up in 1919.

Wishing good success for your further researches.

Istanbul
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Joe R » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:27 pm

Istanbul,
Thank you for taking the time to answer. Much obliged.
So it appears that both ships survived the war without a scratch or bruise. The
"fog of war" is a real curse to history. But moving on.

GAZZE a Turk ship was sunk on 5 May 1915. Do you have specifications for that ship?
Builder,year built, etc.? Thanks again for your help.

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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Istanbul » Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:05 pm

I personaly don`t think that SELAMET was in existence anymore when WW I commenced. Possibly broken up between 1911-1914.
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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Joe R » Fri Jul 10, 2020 9:00 pm

Gazze=Selamet?? Or maybe I missed something.

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Re: Black Sea 1915

Post by Istanbul » Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:37 am

No, Selamet was not Gazze. I am still working on Gazze history.
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