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ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:57 pm
by AvM
ADMIRAL STURDEE a motorship
registerd London, 448/1946 on 9 Dec 1946
Built: 1944, Register closed: 1947
official number 181536
287nrt

she was very probably ex MMS

Any ideas. I could not after short research identify her?

PS She was registered at the same day as
ADMIRAL HAWKINS ex MMS 1084
London, 447/1946 ON181535 299 tons
Built: 1944, Register closed: 1948
Owned: Wiliam A. Phillips

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:05 pm
by phil morgan
MMS 1084
Admiralty type MMS
Built Rowhedge Iron Works possibly 1944/5
Disp 255
126pp 139¾ oa 26x10.5ft
1 shaft Diesel BHP500
Disposal not known
Good hunting
Phil

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:15 pm
by AvM
phil morgan wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:05 pm
MMS 1084
Admiralty type MMS
Built Rowhedge Iron Works possibly 1944/5
Disp 255
126pp 139¾ oa 26x10.5ft
1 shaft Diesel BHP500
Disposal not known
Good hunting
Phil
Phil, many thanks

but according to Lenton, Wivenhoe yard list & Polish sources
MMS 1084 was built by Wivenhoe and 1946 registered as ADMIRAL HAWKINS , then became Polish URANIA

I have asked about ADMIRAL STURDEE

Shipyard list of Rowhedge Ironworks Ltd mentioned no any MMS boat built there :O

I am very suprised that I could not easy find any list of post WW2 fates of MMS boats.

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:17 am
by David H
The 1947 Mercantile Navy List shows several “Admirals” owned by William Phillips of Stratton Street, London W1.
Admiral Fisher
Admiral Grenville
Admiral Hawkins
Admiral Keyes
Admiral Sturdie (sic)
Admiral Vernon

Sturdee is shown as being built in 1944 at Meteghan, Canada – so presumably one of MMS.1050 / MMS.1052 / MMS.1054 / MMS.1056 / MMS.1057 /MMS.1058 /MMS/1059

British and Commonwealth Warships by H T Lenton does identify several MMS’s as being sold out to be renamed after Admirals –
MMS.1031 – Admiral Fisher
MMS.1051 – Admiral Blake
MMS.1053 – Admiral Drake
MMS.1055 – Admiral Pound
MMS.1070 – Admiral Grenville
MMS.1084 – Admiral Hawkins

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:32 pm
by AvM
David!

many thanks

Could you provide builders of these ships:
Admiral Keyes
Admiral Vernon


AvM

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:06 pm
by AvM
I am very interested if the William A. Phillips is identical

with the shipyard:
W . A . PHILLIPS , ANDERSON & CO . LTD ., WEST HARBOUR ROAD . GRANTON, Edinburgh

There was shipowner company
W . A . PHILLIPS , ANDERSON & CO . LTD ., LONDON

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:52 am
by David H
From the 1947 MNL:

ADMIRAL KEYES – Official Number 180948 Built Montreal, Quebec (no year)
measured 133.4 feet (length) x 26 feet (beam) 285 tons

ADMIRAL VERNON – ON 180950 – built Southampton 1943
measured 127.9 feet (length) x 26 feet (beam) 295 tons

Some more details may be found in the National Archives:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... /C13341231

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... /C13341232

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov. ... /C13341229

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:38 pm
by AvM
Admirals ex MMS based on crewlist pages

MMS.1031 – Admiral Fisher - ON180891 – London 188/1946 24.06.46 Closed:1947
MMS.1051 – Admiral Blake - ON180178 – Plymouth 6/1946 06.04.46 Closed:1947
MMS.1053 – Admiral Drake - ON180946 - London 286/1946 29.08.46 Closed:1946
MMS.1055 – Admiral Pound - ON180949 - London 289/1946 29.08.46 Closed:1946
MMS.1070 – Admiral Grenville - ON180947 - London 287/1946 29.08.46 Closed:1946
MMS.1084 – Admiral Hawkins - ON181535 - London 447/1946 09.12.46 Closed:1948
MMS.???? – Admiral Keyes - ON180948 - London 288/1946 29.08.46 Closed:1946
MMS.???? – Admiral Sturdee - ON181536 - London 448/1946 09.12.46 Closed:1947
MMS.1001 – Admiral Vernon - ON180950 - London 290/1946 29.08.46 Closed:1948

Re: ADMIRAL STURDEE ex MMS?

Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:53 am
by peter.r
Admiral Vernon ex MMS 1001 was built at CAMPER & NICHOLSON @ GOSPORT Launched 5.4.43, Completed 26.7.43, and lost in the Musi River 12.8 59.