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    <pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:29:45 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Waalhaven</title>
      <link>http://warsailors.com/forum/read.php?1,4569,4607#msg-4607</link>
      <author>Hans Jehee</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello,

Waalhaven.
At the outbreak of the war in the Netherlands the ship was in the Rotterdam.
She was unable to leave Rotterdam because De Nieuwe Waterweg was closed by magnetic mines.
After the 'Waalhaven' had been sabotaged (by crew, owner or Dutch autorities?) the ship was confiscated by the Germans. It took more than a year to refit the 'Waalhaven' for the ore trade to Sweden. During her first voyage to Sweden the 'Waalhaven', still flying the Dutch flag, fan aground in the Baltic. Two deeptanks were holed, but the ship could proceed to Rotterdam. On 18 September 1942, whilst on a second voyage from Lulea to Rotterdam with a full load of ore the 'Waalhaven' ran aground on a rock near Rönnskär. After that 600 tons ore bad been discharged the crew abandonned ship on 24th September. They were saved by a 
Swedish salvage vessel and landed in Pitea. Shortly after that the 'Waalhaven' was
wrecked.

Source: 150 jaar van Uden by G.J. de Boer (1998)

According Die Deutsche Kriegsmarine 1815-1945 the ship had the Seelöwe number RO 2 assigned to her. The above mentioned story makes it very unliky she actually carried the RO 2 number.

Greetings from Holland, Hans]]></description>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Mats Karlsson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello!

I´ll try to find out where I got my information about the date.

Regards Mats]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:06:59 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Jan-Olof</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello again Theo,

Thanks for the information. Excellent as usual.

Regards Jan-Olof]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:36:07 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Theodor Dorgeist</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hallo zusammen,

ich habe bei meinen Prisenunterladen zu WAALHAVEN:
18.09.42 auf Klippe bei Ronnskär gestrandet.
24.09.42 Schiff von der Besatzung verlassen.
28.09.42 Schiff zerbrochen.

Vermutlich lag den Prisenhof Hamburg ein genauer Verlustbericht vor.
( der Prisenhof war für die Freigabe der Versicherungssumme an die holl. Reederei zuständig !! )

Grüße

Theo]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 10:16:01 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Jan-Olof</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Sometimes my fingers are faster than my brain.

I wrote:

..at Krigsarkivet, dated 18.08.42, with the following text..

this should of course be

..at Krigsarkivet, dated 18.09.42, with the following text..

Sorry for the confusion.

God fortsättning önskar Jan-Olof]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:14:17 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Jan-Olof</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello Mats,

That was quick :-) The reason I asked was because I saw a telegram, at Krigsarkivet, dated 18.08.42, with the following text:

18.09.42
Dutch steamer [i]Walhaven[/i] with a cargo of iron ore ran aground at 1000 hours off KSS 6 (Rönnskär). Salvage steamer has left Luleå.

In another telegram dated 30.09.42 

The Dutch steamer [i]Walhaven[/i] which ran aground on 18.09.42 has now broken in two. The salvage steamer has landed the crew and stopped the salvage attempts.

Perhaps the information in the telegrams are incorrect with regards to the date.

Regards Jan-Olof]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:12:15 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Mats Karlsson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello again!!
Yes, I think the date 16/9 is correct. 18/9 &quot;Neptunbolaget&quot; (s/s Valkyria: Volym 65 Låda 60 Akt 10528)did some try to salvage the wreck. So probably the ship grounded before this date.


God fortsättning!

Regards Mats]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 09:03:29 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Jan-Olof</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello Mats

Tack så mycket för informationen. 

I see that you have the date 16/9 42. Is that really correct? 

Regards Jan-Olof]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 08:43:04 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Re: Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Mats Karlsson</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello Jan-Olof!

Waalhaven. Steamer(NL)Rotterdam. 3551 brt, 8000dwt. Built 1916 by Rotterdam Droogdok Maats. No.53
Dim: 110,2x15,2x6,7m
Trippelexp. machine 1450 Psi (301 Nhp)
Owner: Gebrüder van Uden
Exname: &quot;RO 2&quot; (D)
Grounded 16/9-1942 in pos. 65 02,36 ; 21 40,03
Cargo: Iron-ore
Trip: Luleå-Rotterdam

Regards Mats]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:18:11 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>Dutch steamer Walhaven</title>
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      <author>Jan-Olof</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Does anyone have information about the Dutch steamer [i]Walhaven[/i], like building year, tonnage, departure port etc= She ran aground off Rönnskär on 18.09.42

Regards Jan-Olof]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:49:43 -0800</pubDate>
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