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      <title>[Ship Forum] S.Y. Westoe</title>
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      <author>Aris</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I am looking for information on the postwar history of the steam yacht WESTOE. 
She was built at Northam in 1899 as the FALAISE and later sailed as the SEA BELLE. She was apparently sold to Greece in 1945 and renamed PINDOS but nothing is known since.

Any help would be really appreciated.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: KTB Seetransportchef Italiens</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thank you very much, Platon. I owe you.
Francesco]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: KTB Seetransportchef Italiens</title>
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      <author>Platon Alexiades</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Ciao Francesco,

There are some gaps but here is what I got:

KT 11:

1815/10.4.43 sailed from Leghorn (Livorno) with fuel, stores and armoured vehicles for Tunis arrived at Gaeta at 1300/11.
1200/12 arrived at Naples.
1800/13 sailed from Naples and arrived at Reggio at 1100/14.
1700/15 sailed from Reggio with KT 21 and arrived at Trapani at 0900/16.
2400/16 sailed from Trapani with KT 21 and arrived at Tunis at 1500/17.
1000/18 sailed from Tunis (carrying 18 PoWs) with KT 21 and arrived at Reggio at 1100/19.
1200/21 sailed from Reggio with KT 21 with fuel, stores and armoured vehicles and diverted to Marsala on account of bad weather, arrived there at ?
0700/21 sailed from Marsala with KT 21 but returned at 1100/23 as the air escort had not shown up, sailed again at 1200/23 and arrived Tunis at 0100/24.
1200/24 sailed from Tunis with KT 21 and arrived at Reggio at 1200/25.
1400/28 sailed from Reggio with KT 21, hit by bomb aft (time?) but arrived at La Goulette at 1800/29.
2000/2.5.1943 sailed from Tunis and arrived at Marsala at 0900/3.
1600/3 sailed from Marsala and arrived at Reggio at 0800/4.
Sailed from Reggio in tow at ? arrived at Messina at 1000/15.5.43.
Her loss is not mentioned in the KTB (although the air raid on Messina is briefly alluded to).

KT 22:

5.4.1943 reported at Ancona. Arrived at Brindisi at 1800/30.4.43
2000/5.5.43 sailed from Brindisi and arrived at Taranto at 0900/3.
1200/6 sailed from Taranto with 6 field guns, 2 vehicles, fuel and a mmunition, arrived at Crotone at 1830/6.
0600/7 sailed from Crotone and arrived at Reggio at 1800/7.
Sailed from Reggio at 1800/8 and passed Messina at 1930/8, arriving at Trapani at 1630/11.
Sailed from Trapani at 1700/13 and arrived at Reggio at 0900/14 (the return to Reggio was most likely due to  fall of Tunisia).
Sailed from Reggio at 1400/16 and arrived at Cagliari at 2200/18.
Sailed from Cagliari at 1200/19 and arrived at Reggio at ?
1200/24 during an air raid over Reggio, KT 22 was set afire and sank, F 478 was set afire, F 435 had underwater damage and an Italian steamer was also sunk.

Hope this helps.

Platon]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>igorr</author>
      <description><![CDATA[see my post from 03/12/2010]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>Andreas von Mach</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Sorry!

Should be not STALINETZ? but SPARTAKOVETS (958rt)]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>igorr</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Seiner and schooner is 2 different ships. Seiner sunk as you write, schooner reported sunk 9.1.42, but several times emerged in documets after sinking - i think wrong account and schooner was only damaged.
Now this is STALINETZ??? Or you mistaked it with STACHANOVETZ?]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] KTB Seetransportchef Italiens</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Does anybody have available the KTBs of Seetransportchef Italien for April-May 1943 regarding in particular the activities of KT 11 and 22?
KT 11 was completed on 2.4.1943 at Ansaldo/Sestri Ponente (Genova), bombed on 6.5.1943 at Reggio Calabria and finally lost on 25.5.1943 in Messina, while KT 22 was completed on 27.4.1943 at CNR/Ancona and lost on 24.5.1943 at Reggio Calabria, so both had very short careers.
Thank you in advance,
Francesco]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>Andreas von Mach</author>
      <description><![CDATA[seiner ie fv STAKHANOVETZ was lost 23.04.43 when embarked military equipment at Myskhko by German A/C &amp; field artillery.

schooner STAKHANOVETZ  is really reported sunk together with STALINETZ :-)

Or both ships were the same ?]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: How can I find more information on crew members?</title>
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      <author>ray Buck</author>
      <description><![CDATA[hhansen79
Edvard Olai Hansen  signed on the Norwegian ship “Harpefjell”   in Liverpool on the 19th June 1943 as an AB he was 26 years old Norwegian  5’ – 6” in height and weight was 140 lbs
the ship arrived New York on the 10th April 1944 from the port of Cristobal 29th March 1944 and it looks as if Barraquillaon arrival at New York 11 seamen were discharged on of them  Edvard Olai Hansen  discharged from the “Harpefjell” 

Edvard O Hansen aged 26 with 10 years sea time   is on the manifest when the “Harpefjell” arrives in New York on the 14th November 1943  and was expected to sail for San juan P.R. on the 23rd November 1943 New York was the first port of call 
 On the 21th January the “Harpefjell” was in the port of New Orleans from San Juan, was expected to sail 20th January 1944 for Cartagena 

Edvard Hansen signed on “Skandinavia” as an AB on the 16th January 1943 in New York aged 26 with 8 years at sea Norwegian height 5’ – 6” in height and weight 140 lbs, arriving in New York 13th May 1943 sailed from the  port of Avonmouth Bristol 22nd April 1943 on arrival Edvard  Hansen and crew was detained on board she was expected to sail on the 19th May for “Sea”

Edvard  Hansen was again on the manifest for the “Skandinavia”  3rd March 1943

also listed on the “Tamerlane” May &amp; August 1942, the “Niobe” 11th November 1941
Ray
P.S.There are several other listing on the ancestry site you will have to pay to view]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Carbet,  Emanuel</title>
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      <author>Fred Mallia</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thanks again guys.Fred]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] How can I find more information on crew members?</title>
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      <author>hhansen79</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello, 

My grandfather, Edward Hansen, was a merchant seaman with the Norwegian fleet during the war.  He unfortunately passed away 16 years ago, and his wife has also been dead many years, so I have few options of people to ask.  My father says he never talked about his experiences during the war with his children. 

I know from his immigration record that he came to NYC on April 10, 1944 on the vessel Harpefjell. I'm not sure I understand the form correctly but it looked as if he got onboard the ship in Dec 1942. I'm trying to find out what he was doing prior to this.  On this site I found an &quot;Edward Hansen/Edvard Hansen&quot; on crew lists on both the Varanger and the Teddy.  Is there any way for me to find out if these Edwards are my grandfather?  For example their birthdate or where in Norway they were from?]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:14:22 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Carbet,  Emanuel</title>
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      <author>Torsten H</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Emanuel was en route Nykobing Falster - Gotenhafen/Gdynia in ballast, when on April 10, 1943 at 13.45 in pos 45 44.8 N - 012 33.3 E it was hit by an explosion under the aft part of the ship. Water flowed into the aft cargo-hold. SB lifeboat was launched and 7 men left in it for the Danish island Moen/Mön. At 14.15 the other boat was launched, as the ship was going to sink, and the rest of the crew, 10 men, left, but the boat was kept in the vicinity. At 15.45 the ship sunk in abt 16 m depth, and the crew rowed to a lightship nearby. The ship was later raised.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>Comas</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thank you both!

Regards
Jordi]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>igorr</author>
      <description><![CDATA[This is different ships indeed.
Some comfusion with them both; in official loss list present transport SPARTAKOVETS (958), burned after bomb hit in Feodosia 9.1.42, and schooner STAKHANOVETZ (no brt mention), also sunk with bombs. But in same list in other section present only damaged SPARTAKOVETS with same date! I think, she was sunk after all, because there no mention about such ship in Chronic Black sea fleet after 9.1.42. And schooner STAKHANOVETZ periodically emerged in reports, so i think it was STAKHANOVETZ who was only damaged.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Carbet</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[CARBET, 3523 or 3689 grt/1920, C.ie G.ale Transatlantique, at Fort-de-France (Martinique) 6.7.1940 to 8.12.1940, helps with repairs to AMC QUERCY, then to Pointe-à-Pitre, sails for Casablanca 19.12.1940. Laid up there 20.1-23.4.1941. From Dakar to Marseilles 26.7.-28.8.1942; to Germany under Laval/Kaufmann agreements of Nov. 1942, actual transfer 11.1.1943. Leaves Marseilles on 4.2.1943, perhaps under the name PIOMBINO (?). Sunk in Piombino harbour on 10/11.9.1943 by Italian shore batteries and tanks' artillery: the armed steamer had arrived there with the (former French) torpedo-boats TA 9 and TA 11, and engaged the Italian forces in a prolonged fight, in which TA 11 was also sunk along with four Italian VAS boats just captured there, two Luftwaffe ASR launches and two barges.
As to Danish EMANUEL, 1284 grt/1907, according to Miramar no loss in 1943: broken up Split on 10.1.1966...]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:01:42 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>crolick</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jordi,

on this list - http://militera.lib.ru/h/mmf/03.html - one can find only SPARTAKOVETS (1100 tons) sunk on 9 I 1942 in Feodosia harbour. No mention of STAKHANOVETS.

Hope it helps!
Andrzej]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Spartakovets or Stakhanovets</title>
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      <author>Comas</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello all:

Are these ships Spartakovets (967 GRT/41) and Stakhanovets (1219 GRT/23) the same? They were lost on 9/1/42 at Feodosia. Soviet sources say both ships the same, Is it that true?

Regards
Jordi]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Carbet</title>
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      <author>Fred Mallia</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Fr or vichy french vessel of 3689 tons,I have her shelled at Piombino on apr 43,no day and by whom.Eny truth to this...Thank you.....Fred.Oh one more Danish cargo vessel Emanuel of 1290 lost on10 4 43,how and were.Thank you again. fred.]]></description>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:06:33 -0800</pubDate>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: German MFP F345</title>
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      <author>gttf</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thank you very much, Francesco, for your deep analysis of the sources.
I'm quite convinced that yout hypothesis is right

Regards

Fabrizio]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: German MFP F345</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[(follow-up)
No mention of any action vs. German MFPs in the GABBIANO report therefore.
However, on Sept. 13 (after having gone to Bastia the day before, aiding M/S HUMANITAS torpedoed by HNMS DOLFIJN and then scuttling her, and later on coming back to Montecristo) around 12:25 they sortied from there to intercept some German MFPs, with which they had a brief exchange of fire.
The report from PELLICANO, however, is missing.

On Sept. 8 evening there were also at Gaeta MS 55 &amp; 64, ready, plus MS 71 &amp; MAS 544 under repair (2a Flottiglia). MS 55 &amp; 64 were sent to Ponza island before the surrender of the base (which took place at 14:00/9). In the morning of Sept. 10, however, seven MS from Capri (1a Flottiglia) reached Gaeta. On learning of the German occupation, they immediately went on to Ponza, after avoiding capture and embarking Capt. Michelagnoli of the 2a Flottiglia, and from there got back to Capri  (one boat went to Fiumicino and back to land Capt. Mimbelli, another to Portoferraio).
Therefore we have two MS at sea off Gaeta on Sept. 9 and seven more on Sept. 10, and one corvette (GRU) plus (in all) eight MS moored at Ponza island nearby. I think it's far more likely that, if an action with the German MFPs took place off nearby Terracina, it was at their doing.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: German MFP F345</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[I don't think I made myself clear. If MFP F 354 was sunk on Sept. 9 at 14:27 near Gaeta/Terracina, it can't have been at the hands of FOLAGA, APE &amp; CORMORANO as Cernuschi states. This is because at Gaeta on Sept. 8 evening (see Erminio Bagnasco, &quot;In guerra sul mare&quot;, 2005, page 390/1) there were GABBIANO, PELLICANO &amp; GRU, the submarine AXUM (limited operational capability), and the repair ship QUARNARO (not ready to sail). Also in the Basso Tirreno there was the 2a Flottiglia Mas. 
FOLAGA was at La Spezia, APE at Portoferraio and CORMORANO at Bastia.
From &quot;La Marina dall'8 settembre 1943 alla fine del conflitto&quot;, USMM, 1962: in the night of 8/9 Sept. around 02:15 PELLICANO and AXUM left Gaeta as soon as the first German troops appeared on the quay. So did GRU, moored outside the old port, in an area where no Germans showed up. GABBIANO left the harbour after them in a somewhat hurried way, on the orders of her Exec, breaking off her mooring cables and ditching her boarding stair full of Germans plus a few Germans already on board; 3 Italian sailors on the corvette were slightly wounded by German reprisal small-arms fire, while 27 others (including lt. cmdr. Foresi, her CO) were stranded ashore and  almost all captured. 
GRU then went to Ponza island nearby (and thence on Sept. 11 to Palermo, in Allied hands).
GABBIANO, after escaping unharmed an air attack in the outer harbour, was routed first towards Portoferraio, then (0900/9 Sept.) towards La Maddalena, then again for Portoferraio. At 17:50/9 she sighted her sister-ship PELLICANO near Montecristo, where both anchored. At 09:00/11 they sailed, reaching Bastia by 16:00.
(more to follow)]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Going to the French Navy archives and may search for others</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Dear Siri,
According to Reinhart Schmelzkopf, &quot;Fremde Schiffe in deutscher Hand&quot;, Strandgut, 2004, the NORDA codenames given to the former Norwegian cargo ships to be delivered by the Vichy Govt under the Nevers Agreement were as follows:
NORDA I ex PATRIA, NORDA II ex FAVOER, III ex TANA, IV ex ORIA (very hard to mention for an Italian), V ex BROTT, VI ex HADRIAN, VI ex SKOTFOSS, VII ex RINGULV, VIII is missing, IX ex KARI, X and XI are missing, XII ex GRAN.
Regards, 
Francesco]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Going to the French Navy archives and may search for others</title>
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      <author>siri</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thank you so much for taking the time to write all this about my father's ship Ringulv, I appreciate every little tidbit I can get on her (you may have noticed, my page about this ship is in a bit of a mess, and probably always will be). I'll compare the dates and info in your source with what I already have and see if everything matches up, and will also add the extra info in your message that I did not have before.

Thanks again!]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: German MFP F345</title>
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      <author>gttf</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Thank you Francesco, for your accurate picture of the context. If I've well understood the version of O'Hara-Cernuschi would be confirmed except for the theater of the action, near Elba island instead of Terracina.
Two things leave me perplex:
1)according to the SKL KTB (see http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&amp;t=1763, where there is a long discussion on this topic) “At the level of Gaeta there was a fight of 6 MFP´s against 2 fast vessels of the enemy. One of our MFP was sunk&quot;; this is confirmed also in http://www.historisches-marinearchiv.de/marinefaehrprahm/ausgabe.php?where_value=794, where the sinking is located 5 nm from Terracina, so F345 should have been lost there, not near Elba
2) the loss of F345 is attributed to a torpedo: as remarked elsewhere (see http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&amp;t=1763) the use of torpedos against vessels like MFP is not so common, although the Gabbiano Class corvettes  had two 450 mm torpedo tubes
Thanks in advance for any other comment

Fabrizio]]></description>
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      <title>[Find a Shipmate] Re: Torlief Nilsen,searching for grandfathers ships</title>
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      <author>siri</author>
      <description><![CDATA[If you contact the National Archives of Norway (Riksarkivet) they'll give you the names of the ships he served on, with the dates of signing on/paying off.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: reperation,vessel lists.</title>
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      <author>peter.r</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hi Marty got your e-mail thanks alot for it.
I found this on the website about the Luftwaffe in Norway
on it it gives a list of vessels left in that country at the end of the war. It is--
luftwaffe.no/kriegsmarine/articles/vessels.htm
 hope this is a help for you.
                              peter.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: German MFP F345</title>
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      <author>de domenico</author>
      <description><![CDATA[On September 8 evening, CORMORANO was off Bastia on ASW duty, APE was at Portoferraio and FOLAGA at La Spezia (USMM &quot;La Marina dall'8 settembre 1943 alla fine del conflitto&quot;). The three corvettes were a part of the 2a Squadriglia Corvette, 7° gruppo Antisom based at La Maddalena. 
At Gaeta there was the 1a Sqdr Corvette Antisom, Sottogruppo Antisom Gaeta, with GABBIANO, GRU, PELLICANO, IBIS (actually at Porto Conte near Alghero)  (Francesco Mattesini, &quot;La Marina e l'8 settembre&quot;,  2° vol., USMM 2002, however this author also wrongly includes PERSEFONE and CAMOSCIO, both of which were under repair and fell into German hands at La Spezia and Livorno respectively).
On Sept. 9, CORMORANO cooperated with ALISEO off Bastia (while APE remained at Portoferraio). Both ships were then ordered first to go to La Maddalena and later, on learning of the German takeover there, diverted to Portoferraio. 
GABBIANO &amp; PELLICANO left Gaeta on Sept. 9 and went to Montecristo (and GRU to Ponza), while IBIS stayed at Porto Conte all the time. On Sept. 11, GABBIANO &amp; PELLICANO went from Montecristo to Bastia.
On Sept. 10, 3 corvettes from Portoferraio, FOLAGA (which had reached Elba coming down from La Spezia), APE &amp; CORMORANO were ordered by amm. Nomis di Pollone to make a sortie in the Piombino Channel, in the course of which the action with the 5 German MFPs took place. 
O'Hara and Cernuschi are therefore mistaken in placing this action at Terracina, near Gaeta, which would have been in any case the operating area of the 3 other  corvettes above mentioned, GABBIANO, PELLICANO, GRU.
As Platon Alexiades rightly remarks, this was a period of great confusion.

P.S. Erminio Bagnasco's &quot;La Guerra sul Mare&quot; confirms the location at Sept. 8 of all the corvettes as illustrated above, and adds some other units operating from La Maddalena plus a few more under refit or repair.]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Loss of barges Gerda and Hedwig on 13.9.1943</title>
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      <author>Jan-Olof</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello De Domenico, Andrzej and Platon,

That was quick :) Thank you all very much for clearing this up. 

Best regards,

Jan-Olof]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Loss of barges Gerda and Hedwig on 13.9.1943</title>
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      <author>Platon Alexiades</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Hello Jan-Olof,

Yes, these two were indeed sunk by DOLFIJN, Andrzej S. Bartelski had kindly provided this information before.

Best regards,

Platon]]></description>
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      <title>[Ship Forum] Re: Loss of barges Gerda and Hedwig on 13.9.1943</title>
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      <author>crolick</author>
      <description><![CDATA[Jan-Olof,

DOLFIJN claimed two enemy barges sunk on 10:40/13 IX 43 in position 44°09'N / 09°37'E.
So it seems that indeed GERDA nad HEDWIG were victims of the Dutch submarine.


Andrzej]]></description>
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